2012 Archives http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/table/2012-articles/ Wed, 24 May 2017 09:58:24 +0000 Joomla! 1.5 - Open Source Content Management en-gb The Debate: Rose vs. Westbrook http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/july/the-debate-rose-vs-westbrook.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/july/the-debate-rose-vs-westbrook.html Inline image 1

In the sixth edition of “THE DEBATE” I compare two point guards of today's NBA game, Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook. You can read “THE DEBATE: Pippen vs. Iguodala” here.

1) Scoring:

This is a very tough decision, it's a dead tie. You can make a valid point that makes one better than the other. Westbrook isn't as good from three-point rage as Rose, Westbrook finishes around the rim better sometimes. The two guards are not even in their primes yet, and they are already in my “Top 5 Point Guards” list. Both players can shoot too much, or they don't shoot enough. Westbrook has an easier time of getting shots off though, considering Rose doesn't have a Kevin Durant on his team. Both, Rose and Westbrook can shoot the ball, drive it, and make tough shots. It's a tie.

2) Rebounding:

Westbrook wins the battle of the boards. It's quit simple, Rose can be aggressive on the boards, but not all the time. That's why Russell has him beat this time around. Derrick and Russell have amazing jumping ability which is why they are both good rebounding guards in their own right, but Westbrook is slightly better.

3) Ball Handling/Passing:

Derrick wins this one. When Russell learns to play under control at least 85% of the time, maybe it'll be a tie. Derrick and Russ both have high turnover numbers, but Westbrook sometimes acts like a wild ape that is on a sugar high sometimes. That's not a bad thing, but he hurts himself and his team with that play. Looking back at the Finals, Russell did lose control of the game, something a point guard shouldn't do. Granted Westbrook has had two eight assist per game averaged seasons, Rose is better at this aspect of the game.

4) Steals:

Westbrook is the better defender, by far. Rose isn't a slouch, but I'd go as far as Gary Payton when comparing Westbrook's defense. Have you noticed it during the “friendly” matches? Steal after steal is what I keep seeing. Rose is a good defender, Westbrook is just better. Rose has improved his footwork though, which may be why Russell gets into foul trouble sometimes.

5) Blocks:

Rose has the advantage here, in my opinion. I just like Derrick's timing and jumping ability more than Russell's. Westbrook can block shots, but I've seen D-Rose block shots as well. With Russell Westbrook averaging 0.3 blocks per game, Derrick Rose currently averages 0.4 blocks a night. I know, 0.1 isn't that big of a deal. In Rose's third and fourth year alone, he has higher season high averages than Westbrook's.

While comparing Rose to other NBA point guards you can watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOeUmStERvI. The video is of the “ESPN First Take” crew debating whether or not Derrick Rose is the best point guard in the league. They go as far as saying that Rose is the most dominant since Magic at that position. Listen closely while Legler rounds off Rose's numbers against other top point guards.

It caught my eye, and I somewhat agree with Tim Legler on this one. I honestly believe that Russell and Derrick are twins when you compare the two players on the court. They have the same play style, they are the same age, both are exciting, what's not to like about them?

Rose wins, might be biased, but that's my take on it. Let me know what you think in the comments below.

imgodly1596@gmail.com (T.J. Watson) July Sat, 28 Jul 2012 03:04:01 +0000
Bulls Injury Update: June 30, 2012 http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/june/bulls-injury-update-june-30-2012.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/june/bulls-injury-update-june-30-2012.html
Participating in his first Olympics he decided to put off surgery and in-turn would miss the beginning of the Bulls Season. Luol has now decides to put off surgery all together meaning he will be ready at the start of next season. Bold decision was it the right one? I hope so comment and tell us your thoughts!

Derrick Rose, The MVP:

Derrick Rose had his surgery on his ACL as we all know already. Surgery went great and his was expected to miss 8-12 months... Rose is ahead of schedule and could be back as early as December to participate in most the the Bulls season. I personally can't wait to see the MVP back in action he is hungry to get that ring. Derrick rose will return like this...... (Watch Video)

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k_ctdetailing@yahoo.com (Kyle Samples) June Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:06:41 +0000
29 Days Till Pick 29: Day Seven, Darius Johnson-Odom http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/may/29-days-till-pick-29-day-seven-darius-johnson-odom.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/may/29-days-till-pick-29-day-seven-darius-johnson-odom.html Darius Johnson-Odom a.k.a. DJO.

When it comes to sleeper prospects that aren't too high on anyone's draft board, it's him. He's a left-handed scoring combo guard that can stroke it from three and penetrate with the best of 'em. DJO is someone that will be really hard to guard in the NBA after he gets his feet wet because of his all-around skill set enhanced with his strength at 215 pounds.

DJO's success in college is yet another hint to his coming success in the NBA -- and he will be successful. He's a good athlete and long enough to play the two-guard position.

In my eyes, he's Toney Douglas 2.0. Toney, coincidentally, was the 29th pick overall in the 2009 NBA Draft selected by the Lakers but then sent to the Knicks that night. Toney was a lot like DJO in college. Their biggest similarity, of course, is their knack to put the ball in the hoop. Douglas averaged 10.6 points per game in 2010-2011 on a Knicks team that made the playoffs.

Johnson-Odom would be a great fit for the Bulls. Not only could he be a back-up ball handler, but a safety-valve shooting guard in the rotation as well as a rookie. He's one of those guys that will translate nicely to the NBA with his play style.

With the possibilities of Derrick Rose being out all year and the fact that C.J. Watson could be waived to rid of his contract before July 11 so the Bulls won't have to pay as much on the luxury tax, Darius could be an ideal fit and pick-up for Chicago that late in the first round.

Look for DJO to slide-up the draft boards in several mock drafts in the coming weeks.

ford.djosh@gmail.com (Darin Ford) May Thu, 07 Jun 2012 02:02:40 +0000
Tammy Previews Bulls vs. Pistons http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/january/tammy-previews-bulls-vs-pistons.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/january/tammy-previews-bulls-vs-pistons.html Hey Bulls Fans!

What an exciting homestand it was! A dominant 40-point win over the Grizzlies and a thrilling 4th-quarter comeback against the Hawks. The Bulls haven't been perfect, but things are starting to come together for a number of players. Carlos Boozer stepped up in the Memphis game for 17 points and 11 rebounds in basically one half of basketball. Derrick Rose led a charging comeback last night, and Luol Deng manned up for the game-winning shot.

Omer Asik continues to man up on a nightly basis, as well. Frankly, he's playing like he wears a Sheik in the bedroom. Not that I'd want to find out though. I like my men like I like my coffee: caramel macchiato with a touch of cinnamon.

Speaking of caramel macchiatos, John Lucas has moved into the Bulls' rotation after injuries to Rip Hamilton and CJ Watson. Lucas has three I's at the end of his name. I have two very good eyes since my daddy paid for Lasik surgery, but I still have a hard time spotting him on the floor without an ugly checkered suit on.

Those injuries have definitely taken their toll on the Bulls' backcourt, though. You could see how tired Rose and Deng were getting near the end of the 4th quarter last night, having played over 40 minutes apiece. I honestly don't have much sympathy, though. I mean, how tired do you think I was, having to get up and dance during every single one of those time outs? You almost wish that they'd play a little more than a few seconds of basketball between them. I mean, give a girl a break once in a while.

It was a thrilling win though. You could just feel the electricity out there when the Bulls were gaining momentum.

People sometimes ask me how much us cheerleaders have to do with big comeback wins. I usually just smile and say nothing because on the sideline we aren't supposed to say anything other than "Let's go Bulls!" And sometimes "Come on, Bulls!" Oh, and of course "DEEE-FENSE!" That one's Coach Thibodeau's favorite.

But on the inside I'm saying that I know damn well I had something to do with that comeback.

You can't have comeback spirit without some major spirit fingers. And let me tell you, my spirit fingers are veterans, honed through years of cheerleading and dance team-ing. Back in high school, these finely-manicured digits were instrumental in some major come-from-behind victories for Niles West football. Well, it was either them or Rashard Mendenhall. But I'm pretty sure it was the fingers.

Tonight the Bulls go to the Palace of Auburn Hills to play the Pistons. And I will be able to rest up from a long night of dancing while trying to figure out how any building in Detroit can rightfully be called a palace. And watch Revenge. Of course. Rip Hamilton might also be looking forward to revenge if he's able to return from his injury tonight. Hamilton spent the last nine seasons with the Pistons before coming to the Bulls.

Detroit is 2-3 on the year and coming off an 89-78 home win over Orlando. Under first-year head coach Lawrence Frank, they've held opponents under 88 points through 3 of their first 5 games. Playing against Detroit is a lot like going to a club in River North. There are a lot of large men throwing themselves at you and smothering you with pressure until you give it up to them. Of course by "it" I mean the basketball. And don't you get any ideas. When me and my girls go out, we take good care of the rock.

Speaking of taking care of the rock, my friend Julie just got engaged this weekend! OMG! How exciting is that?! Also speaking of taking care of the rock, the Pistons are getting great play from their point guard, Rodney Stuckey, who is averaging 5.4 assists per game with a very efficient 2.5 assist-to-turnover ratio.

But the Pistons were led to victory last night by former Bull Ben Gordon, who scored a game-high 26 points and is averaging 18.0 ppg on the season. He is a dangerous scorer who can light it up from the perimeter.

In the post, Detroit features another former Bull, Ben Wallace. He's doing his second tour with the Pistons, just like my ex-boyfriend who did a second tour of his senior year at Niles West. Ugh, I don't know what I ever saw in him. The Pistons see size and toughness in Wallace, but just like my ex, his second time through has been much less eventful than the first. Wallace might be hard to recognize to some fans because the size of his hair has gone down with the size of his minutes. He's averaging just under 15 min a game, but expect him and Chicago native Jason Maxiell to see a lot of time off the bench against our Bulls.

The Pistons' bigs dominated the glass against Orlando and will try unsuccessfully to do the same tonight. Starting center Greg Monroe and Swedish-born forward Jonas Jerebko are both averaging around 8 rebounds per game. Like The Swede from the show Hell on Wheels, I don't think Jerebko is as tough as he looks.  Common is soooo hot in that show, BTW.

Speaking of shows, I have to go watch my TiVo'd episode of New Girl from last night. That Zooey Dechanel is so quirky! Of course, I have no idea why so many scrawny men with bangs find her attractive. But she is quirky.

My prediction for this game: Bulls 85, Pistons 79

Hugs 'N Kisses,


"NOTE: Tammy is a fictional character and is not meant to resemble any actual person, Luvabull or otherwise. Feel free to use your imagination, though." 

marco.radenkovich@gmail.com (Tammy the Luvabull) January Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:49:11 +0000
Bulls Now Targeting Roger Mason Jr.? http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/july/bulls-now-targeting-roger-mason-jr.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/july/bulls-now-targeting-roger-mason-jr.html

The Bulls have begun filling out the roster with guards such as Marco Belinelli, Kirk Hinrich and Marquis Teague. After consequently whiffing on other -- much better players in Courtney Lee and O.J. Mayo -- the Bulls seem to have turn their attention to another veteran guard. According to Michael Lee of The Washington Post, former (mainly) Wizard and Spur, Roger Mason Jr., has gauged interest from Bulls' GM, Gar Forman.

Lee writes, "Bringing back Roger Mason Jr., Maurice Evans or James Singleton also remains high on the Wizards' priority list, but the team already has depth at nearly every position. Mason is also not interested in signing another one-year deal at the league minimum, as he has the past two seasons, according to a source close to Mason. Oklahoma City, New Orleans, Chicago and the Los Angeles Lakers have also expressed interest in Mason."

This would abundantly batten down the hatches at the two-guard position for next season as Rip Hamilton, Marco Belinelli, (sometimes) Kirk Hinrich and maybe Jimmy Butler -- if he's not a three -- seem like a pretty formidable bunch. Now Roger Mason Jr.? Eh, I don't quite know how he fits. He's a little too skilled to be the eleventh or twelfth man on a non-championship caliber roster for now. The guys isn't beating out Rip or Marco, and Captain Kirk is actually better at the two at this stage of his career ... sooooo? Seems like a foolish move that practically pushes the team out of contention to nab F Malcolm Thomas. Thomas played for the Bulls' Summer League team and played well, very well in-fact.

Mason Jr. is a good player, a nice, solid, veteran wing that can shoot, score and facilitate a little. But like I said, not sure where he fits on the roster as is. You could make a case that he's the fifth guard in the rotation, but still, how much time does the fifth guard play? My gut tells me the Bulls are better off signing a big-man to clean up the minutes there.

We'll keep you updated on the situation at hand.

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ford.djosh@gmail.com (Darin Ford) July Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:32:20 +0000
Reactions To Teague Getting Drafted Around The Web http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/june/reactions-to-teague-getting-drafted-around-the-web.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/june/reactions-to-teague-getting-drafted-around-the-web.html
  • Chad Ford, ESPN: "The Bulls got the 19th-ranked player on our Big Board with the No. 29 pick. So, not only did they get the best player available here, but they filled a need. With Derrick Rose out for the start of the season, Teague might find some minutes right away. Teague is still learning his craft as a point guard, but he is super quick, gets to the rim and was an emerging shooter at Kentucky. The fact that he's used to playing with pros (see the '11-12 Wildcats roster) and has won a championship doesn't hurt. Virtually every scout I spoke with thinks he has much more potential than his brother, Jeff. Given that Jeff is the starting point guard in Atlanta, I think the Bulls made out very well."
  • John Hollinger, ESPN: "Marquis Teague of Kentucky has talent to spare and star upside. The question is whether he can harness it. Teague was plagued by turnovers, especially early in the year, but he is an athletic scoring point guard in the mold of his older brother, the Atlanta HawksJeff Teague."
  • Nick Gibson, Sheridan Hoops: "With Derrick Rose’s ACL on the mend into next season, the Bulls needed someone that could break down defenses off the dribble while Rose is out and be a solid back up once the 2011 MVP returns.  Teague is that guy."
  • Sean Deveney, Sporting News: "The Bulls had a hunch someone was going to slip through the cracks to them, but they didn’t figure that the crack would be big enough to fit Teague through. This could mean the end of the C.J. Watson era."
  • Sam Amick, Sports Illustrated: "It helps when high-level players happen to fall to you this deep in the draft, of course, but general manager Gar Forman and his team still had to make the right selection. And with point guard Derrick Rose likely to miss a significant part of next season with his ACL injury, Marquis Teague, the up-tempo floor general who led Kentucky to a national title, is as good as it was going to get at No. 29."
  • Alex Sonty, Blog-a-Bull: "His speed and method fit into how Tom Thibodeau likes his point guard to use the dribble to move the defense while others create off the ball, find lanes to drive, and finish with the confidence of trailing rebounders. And his physical attributes with a coach like Thibodeau makes the mind run wild of his potential as a defender."
  • Ashley Wijangco, Pippen' Ain't Easy: "Teague portrayed great skills at Kentucky, but he also had his flaws, which is reasonable for such a young player. His shooting was not very spectacular anywhere with averages of 41.2% from the field, 32.5% for three-point shooting, and 71.4% on free throws. Teague also experienced troubles while handling the basketball as he averaged 2.7 turnovers. Fortunately, he is still very young, and those are areas he will be able to improve in and continue to do so. At 19, Teague has much potential to make a name for himself in the league. With starting in every game and helping lead Kentucky to a championship, he has good experience to refer to. During the NBA Draft Combine, Teague was measured to be 6′ 2″ (with shoes) at a weight of 179 pounds. He has a vertical jump of 40.5 inches and ran the three-quarter court sprint in 3.16 seconds. This impressive performance was all the Bulls received from Teague seeing as they did not have him work out for them. Chicago management was surprised he was even available to select when their turn to draft a player came around. Teague himself shared the same shock."
That was just a few reactions ... look for more!
ford.djosh@gmail.com (Darin Ford) June Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:23:33 +0000
29 Days Till Pick 29: Day Six, Scott Machado http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/may/29-days-till-pick-29-day-six-scott-machado.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/may/29-days-till-pick-29-day-six-scott-machado.html Scott Machado isn't the most anticipated player coming out of college but he is definitely a versatile one. His strength is finding the open man for a shot, which is mainly why he led the NCAA in assists this past season (9.9 apg).

When Machado wasn't finding forward Mike Glover or guard Lamont Jones he transitioned his game to scoring helping him with an average of 13.6 points per game this season.

Machado reminds me of an non-flashy Rajon Rondo. He can pass great and has showed he can lead a team with post and perimeter scorers. No, he isn’t nearly as good as driving as Rondo, but seriously who is as a point guard?

Machado fits into the Bulls' roster because of what he has already showed in college. Consistently moving the ball and then bringing it together with a step back or a drive that keeps the defense on their toes as Derrick Rose did.

With Rose likely out all season and the unknown factor of C.J. Watson it wouldn't be a bad choice to invest in a point guard that can take in minutes quickly like he did for Iona.

Machado isn't the best point guard available, but when it comes down to needs the Bulls need to express the lack of depth at point guard without Rose. Even with Watson healthy he is aging putting Chicago at a need for a young guard that can potentially be in a sixth man role.

At pick 29 it wouldn't be much of a reach, but you don't have a big a risk of losing him before the selection. So, if Machado one of the top available and the Bulls still see a need then watch for his name to be called, there's no doubt Chicago would consider the idea.

Collin Wilson is a sophomore at Barnesville High School in Ohio. Wilson has been a sports writer since June 2011 and has worked with Darin Ford at every stop he's been. You can read more about Collin on our Staff page.

collinjwilson@gmail.com (Collin Wilson) May Wed, 06 Jun 2012 02:20:16 +0000
Omer Asik Officially A Houston Rocket http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/july/omer-asik-officially-a-houston-rocket.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/july/omer-asik-officially-a-houston-rocket.html
ESPNChicago writes, "The Chicago Bulls will not match the Houston Rockets' three-year, $25.1 million offer toOmer Asik, the team announced via its website Tuesday morning. 'It was a difficult decision because Omer did a nice job for us,' Bulls general manager Gar Forman told the team's website Tuesday. 'Matching the offer for Omer could have put us in a difficult position going forward in trying to acquire high-level talent. We wish Omer good luck and continued success.' The deal that the Rockets structured would have meant the Bulls would have been on the hook for a cap hit of almost $15 million in the final year of the contract. The Bulls decided they did not want to absorb such a substantial penalty given their current cap situation. Asik averaged 3.1 points and 5.3 rebounds coming off the Bulls' bench. Meanwhile, the Bulls are finalizing deals for Marco Belinelli and Nazr Mohammed, according to a source familiar with the situation. The 6-foot-5 Belinelli, who is a former first-round pick (18th overall) by Golden State, averaged 11.8 points last season with the New Orleans Hornets. He is expected to sign for the bi-annual exception, which is just under $2 million."

So long, Omer! See you next year!

Here's a video highlighting Omer Asik's short career (with the Bulls):

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ford.djosh@gmail.com (Darin Ford) July Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:02:27 +0000
Chicago Drafts Marquis Teague With 29th Pick http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/june/chicago-drafts-marquis-teague-with-29th-pick.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/june/chicago-drafts-marquis-teague-with-29th-pick.html

And so they did.

The Bulls came into the night with many speculations that they would ship off All-Star Luol Deng to a team like the Golden State Warriors in-return for a lottery pick. As always fans still churned out Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah trade scenarios too. But, tonight was all about sticking with the team and adding just one guy. Marquis Teague.

The 6-foot-2 long athletic point guard was targeted from the beginning of the pre-draft process by the Bulls once Derrick Rose's injury to his left ACL seemed detrimental to his status for the 2012-2013 season. With Teague, the Bulls now have a starting point guard for next season -- given C.J. Watson is waived, as expected -- and a solid back-up getting sixth-man minutes for years to come. Teague can score, flat-out score. His obscene quickness and ball-handling ability get him to the rim at will. (Something I noticed quickly watching him live at the Final Four.)

Marquis has a very similar play style to that of his brother, Jeff Teague, who was the starting point guard for the Atlanta Hawks this past season. Jeff's seemed to fit very well in the NBA. So, in mirror image, Marquis should as well.

Early this month I reported that Marquis Teague was a great "trade up and take scenario guy." We lucked out big with him falling to us late in the first round. In my original column, I expressed my comparison in situation between Marquis Teague and Darren Collison. Collison was drafted in '09 by the Hornets to solely be the long-term back-up for Chris Paul and eventually play up to 24 minutes a game off of the bench. That's exactly where I see Marquis fitting. His scoring ability and length will make it easy for him to be productive on offense along side Derrick Rose at times. However, when looking long-term, Teague fits on the team well and will. 

I love the situation that GM Gar Forman has put us in. Teague won't be D-Rose but he'll be a suffieicint temporary replacement until Rose's return.

After any sort of pick-up in a draft or sign in free agency, every player's trade value is analyzed. Marquis has the potential to be a hot commodity in the trade market if that situation would come up. Darren Collison was included in a big trade with some decently sized big names after just one year in the league. Maybe Teague could be tossed in that direction. For now though, he's a Bull. We're proud to have him!

Welcome Marquis Teague, welcome!

I would personally like to apologize to all of you readers and Chicago Bulls fans for nothing being posted on the site for over ten days. I've had basketball with my H.S. team and basketball camps for over 8 hours everyday. I've been swamped with trying to form a staff together and learning some things about the Bulls (obviously among many other things). Thank you for your kindness and acceptance as we prepare to assert our name into the elite Bloguin blog group.]]>
ford.djosh@gmail.com (Darin Ford) June Fri, 29 Jun 2012 04:41:36 +0000
29 Days Till Pick 29: Day Five, Orlando Johnson http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/may/29-days-till-pick-29-day-five-orlando-johnson.html http://www.hornstothehardwood.com/2012-articles/may/29-days-till-pick-29-day-five-orlando-johnson.html Orlando Johnson, is the the 29th best draft prospect in this years field. And ofPhoto from Bleacher Report course ... who has that pick? We do.

The 6'5" high scoring guard averaged double-digits all four years of his college career. (A career that started at Loyola Marymount before transferring after his freshman year.)

Orlando is one of those prospects that is NBA ready. His size, strength, length and skill set will take him to places unknown. The kid can really ball and is a steal -- much like Tony Wroten Jr. is -- at the No. 29 pick.

Orlando shot well over 45 percent from the field and 36 percent from three in his college days. However, Johnson did see some struggles from the charity stripe his senior year, only connecting on 4.1 out of every 5.9 free throws per game -- just 69.2%.

He's not quite Marcus Thornton but could see a career trend that's devilishly similar. Another case similar to his? Courtney Lee. (Which is probably the best comparison.) Both Lee and Johnson came from mid-major college programs that put the ball in his hands at all times. Lee, for those of you that remeber, was a rookie on the Orlando Magic when they reached the Eastern Conference Finals in '09. Johnson can be something similar to what Lee was to any playoff contender. Defensively he'll have to continue to develop, but offensively, Johnson is ready for the league.

UCSB was not only able to rely on Johnson to be a scorer but a rebounder as well, he grabbed a little under six boards a game.

Putting up the numbers that he put up, it's surprising that he never really got on the national radar. (Something that Courtney Lee, Steph Curry and Jimmer Fredette all got.) Maybe UCSB's struggle to outshine a much better Long Beach State team in their league, the Big West, hindered the team's ability to really reach that national stage.

In the NBA, Orlando Johnson could be 20 points plus a night guy, given he's in the right offense with the right coach. That's obviously not as a rookie. Probably not even before his third year. If he continues to work at it he could be a really nice player and tremendous pick-up for the Bulls.

ford.djosh@gmail.com (Darin Ford) May Tue, 05 Jun 2012 01:42:28 +0000